Worst Elite Skill

[Xenomortis]

I think Amity actually fulfills some function.
Withdraw doesn't.

[Reverend Dr]

Originally Posted by lemming

Second Wind is pretty bad, but I'm still getting the impression that everyone calling it the worst elite in the game doesn't know that you build up exhaustion by canceling it.

Back at faction's release wasn't everybody theorycrafting Second Wind vs Ether Prodigy? I just find it hard to call something like that a "worst elite".

[Necromas]

Originally Posted by Xenomortis

I think Amity actually fulfills some function.
Withdraw doesn't.

Hex removal for ranger balls?

[superraptors]

i think most assasin elites are pretty useless in general with few exceptions

[Bright Star Shine]

Originally Posted by superraptors

i think most assasin elites are pretty useless in general with few exceptions

Exeptions like:

Assault Enchantments
Dark Apostasy (not ideal, but still pretty useful)
Locust Fury (not so bad either, but there's better things)
Palm Strike
Shattering Assault
Way of the Assassin
Flashing Blades
Fox's Promise (still not very good, but pretty good though, unblockable is ftw)
Moebius Strike
Assassin's Promise
Mark of Insecurity (pretty good imo)
Shadow Prison (not great, but used to be meta for quite a while)
Siphon Strength (can take out a melee character pretty well)
Way of the Empty Palm (bad, but still not that bad)
Beguiling Haze
Hidden Caltrops (bad, but still a pretty good snare)
Shadow Form? (Lol)
Shadow Shroud
Shadow Meld (used to be used in the Deep and DoA)

Hmm, that kind of sums em up, leaving out like 5...

[aspi]

Originally Posted by Bright Star Shine

Exeptions like:
Shadow form

Yeah well actualy this should be the winner of bad elites. What was Anet thinking.....

[Canine Guidance]

Escape is great for running

[Veldan]

Originally Posted by Canine Guidance

Escape is great for running

But never needed, when I run, all I use for the running itself is dwarven stability + dodge / zojun's haste.

[A11Eur0]

Originally Posted by aspi

Yeah well actualy this should be the winner of bad elites. What was Anet thinking.....

The ability to run through mobs without being "seen"...sounds like assassin material at its very core to me. That's what they were thinking. I just don't think they thought it through very WELL.

I think they should change it so that it acts like Gwen's play dead skill. You can still run around with it on, but things don't aggro to you or attack. That'll keep it from being a farming skill.

[Skyy High]

Originally Posted by Veldan

But never needed, when I run, all I use for the running itself is dwarven stability + dodge / zojun's haste.

60 second recharge on DS....that sounds like a horrible idea. With escape + dodge + zojun's, you have 100% uptime, you're always blocking ranged attacks, and you can block melee attacks if you really need to. You also are running just as fast as you do with DS, and you can recover from stance removal more easily....in short, why would you ever use DS for a running build over escape?

[Cale Roughstar]

Decapitate is one of the worst in my opinion. Lose all adrenaline AND energy? If it cost all adrenaline only, it would be an OP skill, but costing all energy just gimps it to the point of hilarity.

Also, someone on the previous page said Triple Chop was bad. It can actually be quite a bit of fun in PvE, especially in tank'n'spank areas (i.e. the Deep). Pop on a zealous axe, spam triple chop, cyclonic axe and whirlwind attack for big damage. Toss on some splinter weapons and ZOMGNUMBERSEVERYWHERE!

[Taurean]

Why not use decapitate when you have almost no energy?

[Taurean]

Originally Posted by Skyy High

60 second recharge on DS.

Dwarven stability has 30 sec recharge.

[Bright Star Shine]

Originally Posted by Skyy High

in short, why would you ever use DS for a running build over escape?

Wut? Userious? DS is f*cking powerful, 100% longer stances when r10 Delver? That's insane.. With DS you can also upkeep dodge and Zojun's and you still got a slot for an Elite.. Looks pretty obvious to me..

[superraptors]

Originally Posted by Bright Star Shine

Exeptions like:

Assault Enchantments
Dark Apostasy (not ideal, but still pretty useful)
Locust Fury (not so bad either, but there's better things)
Palm Strike
Shattering Assault
Way of the Assassin
Flashing Blades
Fox's Promise (still not very good, but pretty good though, unblockable is ftw)
Moebius Strike
Assassin's Promise
Mark of Insecurity (pretty good imo)
Shadow Prison (not great, but used to be meta for quite a while)
Siphon Strength (can take out a melee character pretty well)
Way of the Empty Palm (bad, but still not that bad)
Beguiling Haze
Hidden Caltrops (bad, but still a pretty good snare)
Shadow Form? (Lol)
Shadow Shroud
Shadow Meld (used to be used in the Deep and DoA)

Hmm, that kind of sums em up, leaving out like 5...

locust is still bad
flashing blades is still bad
foxs promise still bad
moi is still bad
sp is bad
siphon is bad
wayof the empty palm is bad
beguiling haze is still bad
shadow meld useless after hb removed

[Skyy High]

Originally Posted by Bright Star Shine

Wut? Userious? DS is f*cking powerful, 100% longer stances when r10 Delver? That's insane.. With DS you can also upkeep dodge and Zojun's and you still got a slot for an Elite.. Looks pretty obvious to me..

My bad, my bad, I confused Dwarven Stability with Drunken Master.

Still think escape is better, you're not vulnerable to enchant removal and you don't have to stop....but still. Ignore my last post.

[DoesntMatter]

Oath Shot. Miss and your skillbar is reset

[miriforst]

Originally Posted by Catchphrase

^ There's Poison Arrow

Quickshot is meant to be used with hornbows + IAS. It just fell victim to powercreep skills that's all.

Holy cow ranger powercreep

Never though that existed outside of the temporary lightning reflexes and magebane, mostly rangers have been slowly nerfed if anything.

And yes quick shot has been nerfed, i used it for laughs in low end pvp while utilizing conjure, kindle and power shot, precision shot etc.

now it got aftercast and that kills the only meaning of the skill, to use it in between already fast activating skills to work as an ias that is non dependant on what bow you are wielding thus making the hornbow the weapon of choice. And to prove that they do not understand the game the developers stated:

Sundering Attack (PvP), Penetrating Attack (PvP), Precision Shot, Quick Shot, and Melandru's Shot were all given the additional half-second of aftercast. Quick Shot is essentially unchanged, since its 1-second recharge already forced an identical delay between successive uses of the skill. Additionally, Precision Shot's damage bonus was reduced in order to bring it in line with Penetrating Attack (PvP). The PvE versions of Penetrating Attack and Sundering Attack were given the faster 3/4-second activation time in order to preserve their usage in fast-attacking damage builds in PvE. Power Shot had its fast activation time removed and was reworked as a skill that does fixed, armor-ignoring damage. It should be effective in the early game, since the low-end damage on it is fairly high, and again late game, where the armor-ignoring nature of its damage should prove valuable. To make it more viable in this role, we reduced its recharge. The other 1-second Bow Attack that did not simply get an aftercast was Needling Shot. In order to preserve its rapid-fire feel without working in a spike chain, Needling Shot was given a faster 3/4-second activation time but now disables other attack skills for 2 seconds when used.

EDIT: Ok now i remember the powercreep: burning arrow.

[shifting shadows]

Wail of Doom hands down. Completely unusable.

[Wish Swiftdeath]

Originally Posted by shifting shadows

Wail of Doom hands down. Completely unusable.

Clearly why it's never run in arenas ever.